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"We have to fight science with science. And, unlike the opposition, we have to be 100% scientifically accurate with every single word we write if we want to be believed. Being right is only 3% of the answer and the remaining 97% is politics. But without the 3% the race doesn't start...."

(e-mail from the Perth Group to fellow dissidents, 3 December, 2008)
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1  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / *UPDATED*(1 May, 2015)-The dissident "stewardesses" are STILL flying the plane! on: January 03, 2015, 08:49:06 AM
(continued from above)

The truth is,


The most famous-or perhaps most INFAMOUS- of all of my former fellow "stewardesses" was Christine Maggiore. Unlike the aforementioned seronegative Farber, Maggiore and many of the other positive dissident proverbial "stewardesses" with whom I have "worked" in the dissident movement are now DECEASED. Many of these people also became my personal friends-as was certainly the case with Maggiore and me-through our "working" together on the AIDS dissident cause. (Maggiore and I used to refer to each other as the "Steve & Edie" of "HEAL Los Angeles"!)

I have no doubt that many of those who frequent that aforementioned Facebook page are stupid, self-centered, libertarian-leaning dissidents who think that, just because they've been diagnosed "poz" and THEY have survived this long (*SO FAR*), everybody else who's "positive" like them should experience the same results they have. Please examine THIS THREAD to see what happened to some other idiotic "poz" dissidents who used to think the same thing.

Plus, everybody needs to just...

1. STOP REFERRING TO the now infamous list of "factors that cause false-positive HIV test results"!!

...and that ESPECIALLY MEANS YOU, the "author" of that list!  When she originally published her "list", the author included cautions and questions in her commentary that accompanied the list. Now, everyone it seems, including she herself, has forgotten those warnings. The fact is, that "list" really is a NON-STARTER, and, despite all claims to the contrary that have been made, that list has NEVER been endorsed, sanctioned, cited or promoted in ANY way by ANY member of the Perth Group!

AND last but certainly not least, dissidents need to


This is yet another royally EMBARRASSING issue that many dissidents keep raising as if it is their only reason for being AIDS dissidents. See the message at THIS LINK

Oh, and if you get the feeling that you may be the target of some of the criticisms I make in this thread and elsewhere on this blog....


Unfortunately, the "scientists" who are behind RA and its contingent of dissidents are just as woefully clueless as any untrained, helpless "stewardess". See for more examples of the brilliant "science" being practiced by those in the other contingents of AIDS dissidents not affiliated with The Perth Group.

2  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / Re: NEW!- The Perth Group schools the idiots in RA who bungle electron microscopy on: January 16, 2014, 12:36:08 PM
Prior to the advent of Electron Microscopy MANIA among the buffoons in the other contingents of AIDS dissidents, the Perth Group wrote another analysis of recent pet theories among the idiot contingents of the AIDS dissident movement. It's called "The HIV Puzzle" and it's available at: (clickable link)

A curious thing happened, though, when the Perth Group sent this document to several dozen prominent AIDS dissidents via e-mail prior to having the document posted on the TIG site.

The e-mail, which was sent by Perth Group member Dr. Val Turner, simply stated:

"Please see attached.


and the document was an attachment to the e-mail.

This three word e-mail and the document that was attached to it, generated HEATED replies from some dissidents, some of whom demanded to be removed IMMEDIATELY from the e-mail list. Some of these dissidents even exhibited intense hysterics while making their demands!

What was the apparent cause of much of the hysterics? The Perth Group's opening sentence of their document is as follows:

"We all agree there is a correlation between something measured in the blood and the probability a person has or will develop what presently are known as AIDS indicator diseases...."

It's even more curious that such a statement should still generate such a vehemently negative reaction in the AIDS dissident community in light of the fact that so many of our "positive" dissident comrades have died and continue to die or become ill. (See THIS THREAD for more on this problem.)

While in my opinion, the Perth Group does not owe ANY further explanation to ANY of these idiotic dissidents, the Perth Group themselves ultimately felt it was necessary to reply to these short-sighted responses to their "HIV Puzzle" document. After almost 3 months of no public response, the Perth Group released the following document: (clickable link)

It's becoming clear that the overgrown peanut gallery/nursery school that has become known as the AIDS dissident movement at large is really a CULT, thereby fulfilling a long-standing criticism often levied against the dissidents by the AIDS industry. Although it certainly is true that the AIDS industry is the biggest "AIDS" cult of ALL, the faction of AIDS dissidents which has supported Peter Duesberg, that is, the main faction of dissidents which opposes the Perth Group and their academically and scientifically oriented supporters, has ITSELF been a cult for quite some time.

For more on the above correlation asserted by the Perth Group "between something measured in the blood and the probability a person has or will develop what presently are known as AIDS indicator diseases", please see THIS TOPIC and THIS TOPIC.

For more information on David Crowe's fatal interference in and bungling of the Parenzee case, please see THIS TOPIC.

3  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / O.M.S.J.: (O)h (M)y (S)weet (J)esus! Still more stupidity from RA and friends! on: June 23, 2013, 07:54:12 AM
Lately, the boneheads in the Rethinking AIDS contingent have written a lot of palaver concerning electron microscopy. They've written about this subject, of course, as they do all issues surrounding "HIV" and "AIDS": as though they are experts on these highly technical issues with infallible public records.

The truth, as always, is a bitch, of course, and the truth is FAR from that. While several profoundly ignorant lay people who are stalwart supporters of RA have taken up the topic of EM, the most "respected" scientist in the RA contingent to do so is one Etienne De Harven (or "DUH! Harven", as my nickname for him implies).

It would be bad enough that De Harven is a scientific plagiarist who stole and BUNGLED the Perth Group's seminal work in which the Perth Group set about analyzing the claims of isolation of so-called "HIV" and have made the Copernican discovery that there is no proof "HIV" has been isolated. However, it is also true that unfortunately De Harven has demonstrated a profound and repeated ignorance of some rather simple terms, and this, despite any claims to the contrary by his supporters, has made De Harven-at least from the standpoint of anyone OUTSIDE of the dissident movement -undeniably the laughing stock of "dissident science" (a contradiction in terms if there ever was one!).

Despite the long-standing divorce between the Perth Group and the RA group, it is my understanding that the Perth Group has sent their thoughts (detailed  in this document: ) on these latest attempts by those in the RA contingent to invoke electron microscopy to the very devotees of RA who are continuing to promote De Harven and the other foolish claims that are being made about EM. Of course, the Perth Group's analyses are unfortunately always ultimately considered an anathema in the cult that is known as the Rethinking AIDS group. Thus, the Perth Group were roundly ignored, despite the fact that they have a REAL expert in electron microscopy on THEIR team. Any claims to the contrary by those in RA-i.e., that the Perth Group supposedly never responded or that Perth supposedly failed to supply their comments and evidence-are just LIES.

Here, again, is the Perth Group's new document discussing in detail EM:

In it, there is also the not so insignificant revelation that, apparently, the "debate" on the British Medical Journal web site was NOT removed at that site! It is still available at:

This was (happy) news to me!
4  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / The Perth Group yet again on the embarrassing, unnecessary "endogenous RV" crap on: April 25, 2013, 11:03:00 AM
There are more than two competing hypotheses in the dissident movement. Every scientifically literate dissident is painfully aware of Peter Duesberg's long-standing claim that "HIV" is a "harmless passenger virus". Of course, his theory has been rebutted so often and so thoroughly that it has come to resemble a proverbial party guest who has stayed way too long after the party has ended. However, there is one more completely unnecessary and completely WRONG retroviral-centered theory which has been around for a few years and has at least a few obviously short-sighted and anti-scientific admirers within the AIDS dissident community.

The Perth Group have issued yet another rebuttal to all of these retrovirus-theory partisans in which the Perth Group briefly review the work they've published on exogenous retroviruses. The main thrust of the Perth Group's latest document is, however, yet another rebuttal which unfortunately still needs to be stated-of the thoroughly embarrassing, completely unnecessary and unfounded hypothesis that "HIV" is an endogenous retrovirus and that ERVs are involved in the pathogenesis of "AIDS".

The Perth Group's article is available at the following link:

Sometimes I wonder if some dissidents who oppose Duesberg have an "anyone but the Perth Group" mentality?? Why else would said dissidents feel the need to support these embarrassing, unnecessary and completely stupid tertiary hypotheses???

5  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / Once again: moronic slimeball Crowe is STILL GUILTY of sinking the Parenzee case on: April 12, 2013, 12:17:39 PM
Sensing an unfortunately persistent need for still more clarification on the matter, Anthony Brink has posted yet another piece detailing the colossal bungling by Rethinking AIDS Grand Pooh-bah David Crowe of, as Brink calls it, "an epochal opportunity to disprove and discredit the ‘HIV’ theory of AIDS on the evidence in a court of law" that AIDS dissidents had, namely, the Andre Parenzee case in Australia in 2006-7.

The fact that Crowe is still held in any amount of esteem by ANY dissident speaks volumes about the levels of intelligence (or LACK thereof) of those dissidents who foolishly continue to support him.

Those who are new to the controversy surrounding David Crowe's egregious sinking of the historic Parenzee case would do well by absorbing Brink's latest piece which is available by clicking on the following link:

Dissidents whose comprehension abilities are lower than that of the average 8 year old also might want to take another stab at attempting to understand all that the "moronic slimeball" Crowe did during the Parenzee case.

6  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / *NEW*(17 May, 2016)"The stewardess is STILL flying the plane" --and CRASHING it! on: August 13, 2012, 07:04:00 AM

In early December of 2015, the death of yet another in a long line of (quasi-) "high profile" and "seropositive" AIDS dissidents was announced. For some unknown reason, the ever insightful family of this deceased dissident (who died earlier last year) apparently thought that World AIDS Day would be a great day to announce the death of their dissident loved one! I never got around to composing my analysis of this latest case. In the meantime, I not only lost my motivation to share my thoughts about that case but I also have made a New Year's resolution to be VERY selective with these types of dissident cases I choose to analyze. Otherwise, in light of the fact that yet another year has passed and so many idiotic proverbial "stewardesses" of the dissident movement continue to fly their proverbial "planes" into the proverbial FREAKIN' GROUND!, I fear that I may be analyzing such cases until the second coming of Jesus FUCKING CHRIST!! The dissident loved ones who surround this latest case of a dissident who has died have been very public with their dissidence in the AIDS issue, specifically with their relentless, cult-like support of Peter Duesberg that is so fervent that it looks like idolatry. In addition, they've also been very public with their dim-witted bat shit crazy tea party politics such as posting many anti-Obama-themed posts on Facebook among which is the image of Obama-as-the-"Joker"-from-"Batman"!!


Just rest assured that none of these boneheads are actually following any protocols that might be recommended by the Perth Group, and, as I have commented elsewhere on this blog, it is not only virtually impossible at the present time for anybody TO follow a protocol aligned with the Perth Group, but also, as a rule, the Perth Group do NOT even MAKE such recommendations publicly.

I should also emphasize (since I feel I do not emphasize this point nearly enough on the pages of this blog) that my feelings regarding incompetent proverbial "stewardesses" of the AIDS world flying proverbial "planes" extends to those in the MAINSTREAM faction who continue to do the damage THEY do. From my years and decades of experience in dealing with these orthodox AIDS industry corporate apologist assholes, I am painfully aware of the fact that it is going to be virtually impossible to get these people to STOP what THEY are doing, but hey, ...a guy can dream....(insert the "ant and the rubber tree plant" song here).... Feel free to continue reading below for older content I have written on these topics...

For a while now, I have been likening the problem of stupid lay activist AIDS dissidents giving out medical advice to the Hollywood analogy of "the stewardess is flying the plane". Of course that was just a movie. Nowadays, however, certainly the biggest and one of the most dim-witted dissident stewardesses of all-time is of course David Crowe, Grand Poobah of Rethinking AIDS. In addition, real-life medical advice is unfortunately also being disseminated by, among others, a hair stylist/DJ from Florida and-until very recently- an inbred seropositive former heroin user (by his OWN admission) and "chef/naturopath" who became a very vocal and...ahem..."eccentric" AIDS dissident sometime as recently as *2011*! (I have been DISASSOCIATED from the Rethinking AIDS contingent of dissidents longer than THAT!) This clown, whose mannerisms in his online video posts might make one wonder if he STILL might be abusing some substances, has a seropositive fiancee whose pregnancy and recurrent illnesses have caused ALL sorts of problems-not just for him, for her and their child- but also for this moron's idiotic FORMER supporters in RA.

However, it should be crystal clear to anyone with half a brain who took the time to review this crazy guy's voluminous internet posts and WACKY, embarrassing online videos that he made while he WAS espousing dissident ideas and BEFORE he changed his mind and became orthodox that the big question the dissidents should be asking is not "what happened to this guy to cause him to become mainstream in his approach?" The BIG question that all of the idiot dissidents who used to support this guy should be asking themselves is "Why the hell did we embrace this IDIOT with such enthusiasm and elevate him so quickly to such a status within the dissident movement IN THE FIRST FREAKIN' PLACE??!!"

This bonehead apparently thought it would be smart to contact me directly on Facebook and comment to me privately on my comments I make about him in this thread! In his typical brilliant, insightful style, he wrote to me: "I should of listened (sic) to my agent when he told me to not get involved with RA and if anything to watch from the sidelines and make my own choices but it all sounded too good at the time and I believed I was doing some good speaking about what they preach..." and "You raise some good points and some of them have to do why (sic) I no longer follow RA or any other dissident ideology. Let the scientists and politicians figure it out if there is a case for all of this and leave the people who are affected by HIV/AIDS alone."

I don't think I EVER refer to politicians ANYWHERE on this forum, certainly not as a possible ally for us. Please search this entire venue, and I think you'll agree. That's this bonehead's interpretation, and, like all his other interpretations, it's really FUCKED UP! Also, and more importantly:

WTF does this guy think he IS??!!

NO ONE was holding a gun to this idiot's head forcing him to...ahem..."speak about what they (RA) preach"! I purposefully do NOT mention him by name-UNLIKE many of the other dissidents I criticize-because he's not IMPORTANT enough to NAME, yet he feels the need to respond anyway? It should be obvious that my criticisms in this post are mostly centered around his choices he made *WHEN HE WAS A DISSIDENT* and the fools in RA who SUPPORTED this idiot when he was a DISSIDENT. Yet he NAMES me and posts links to this very post on his Facebook page! Maybe I should thank him for driving traffic here??!! With enemies like him, who needs friends! LOL...In addition, he has chosen to criticize my acting career (or lack thereof), as if my lack of success as an actor has anything whatsoever to do with the issues I am raising in this discussion! However, I CERTAINLY agree that my profession does NOT qualify me to dispense medical advice....

BUT HERE IS MY POINT: Too bad other dissidents aren't realizing that fact, or, like the inbred former heroin user and "chef/naturopath", some of them are realizing it only after YEARS of doing tremendous damage.

In case it needs repeating, my purpose with this forum is NOT to win people over or to convince anyone of my "beliefs", certainly NOT lay people. I want quite the opposite, in fact (see MY HOME PAGE). Again,

I view these problems as the fault of *RA*

and those supporters of RA who made the stupid mistake of SUPPORTING these foolish dissident "stewardesses". I will take every opportunity as is my right under the first amendment to continue to point out ALL the mistakes that RA and its supporters made and continue to make...

This is HARDLY the first time a dissident has made a reversal or "flipped" like this, and, sadly, I don't think it will be the last. Former dissident "stewardesses" Jonathan Barnett and Tony Lance did so a few years ago. Lance crawled out of the dissident movement with his proverbial tail between his legs, but unfortunately, Barnett still dishes out advice online as if anything he ever said was ever important. (See THIS POST for more on Barnett and Lance.)

In addition, prior to the problems experienced by the former heroin user/chef/naturopath in 2014, there was another inbred, a bisexual "bandleader" and "philosophizer" from Texas, who had a supposedly measurable following among the dissident movement but who DIED in October, 2013! Suffice it to say, this idiot favored Peter Duesberg over the Perth Group's superior science....

This guys' autopsy report dutifully boasts an AIDS-defining illness as the cause of his death. Despite this fact, Barnett, who apparently was his closest dissident friend, felt it was wise to PUBLISH his friend's autopsy report for the whole world to see! A few years ago, the idiot who's now dead also foolishly goaded a microbiologist supporter of the AIDS industry into debating with him on a public web site. Then, when the scientist started discussing a technical issue which this Texan inbred dissident didn't understand, this inbred Texan publicly humiliated himself (and, by extension, the dissident movement at large) by having to bow out of discussing that particular issue with the scientist who was debating with him! THIS is the caliber of intellect and insight that gets elevated in the AIDS dissident movement of the 21st century!

This unbelievably ignorant and arrogant asshole always operated under the mistaken impression that his situation and health history are synonymous with-and could be extrapolated to-other unfortunate souls who have tested "positive", as did the aforementioned heterosexual former heroin user and "chef/naturopath" who worked really hard to fashion himself into a dissident youtube star. The ignorant, inbred Texan bandleader once had the gall to boast to me that, when he returned to the old forum I moderated (after he resigned in "protest" over what he alleged was my "reign of tyranny"), my "former subjects greeted (him) like a roomful of puppies whose master had been away too long." I don't think those "puppies" are quite so enthusiastic in their support of their now"master" anymore. In fact, the death of this dim-witted dissident "guru" has cast a very noticeable and significant chill on the postings to the forum that was stolen from me which he eventually co-moderated. This horribly confused, stubborn and now-deceased prick is someone who is yet another overwhelmingly tragic case where mother nature's efforts appear to be the only efforts that are proving successful in finally getting these dumb fucks to


Speaking of the RA contingent of dissidents: I am also aware that apparently, there may be readers of this blog who are also readers of the almost always entertaining albeit hardly ever scientifically accurate content found on another AIDS dissident venue where the lunacy continues unchecked, and that is the Facebook page of a certain worthless and corrupted AIDS dissident organization which is nothing but a ship of fools. I am not sure why these dissident dildos are bothering to read MY venue since they do not seem to be LISTENING to anything I write here?? Ummm...Ok...WHATEVER! However, you need to realize a couple things: First of all, my blog is primarily directed toward medical professionals and researchers who are outside the AIDS dissident movement more so than it is directed toward those who are still in it or toward lay people in general. This is just one crucial distinction about my blog that needs to be made.

Also, the fictional terror of a cheesy 1970's airline disaster movie PALES in comparison to the FIASCOES being created by the average 21st century AIDS dissident who is nowadays a CONSTANT reminder to the non-dissident world of the Dunning-Kruger effect, in other words, a proverbial "stewardess who's flying the plane". However, in a profound distinction between my Hollywood analogy and real-life AIDS dissidents, the stewardess character from the movie was actually quite hesitant and HUMBLE, whereas these AIDS dissident fools adamantly proclaim that, yes indeed, they ARE qualified to fly a proverbial 747, i.e., give out medical advice.

Also unlike Hollywood's version of the stewardess flying a plane, these real-life AIDS dissidents/"stewardesses" are being given BAD advice by their scientific superiors, the real-life counterparts to Charlton Heston and George Kennedy who give advice to the stewardess flying the plane in Hollywood's version. One would have to wonder that, if Peter Duesberg or any of his other scientist supporters in the dissident movement were ever to have to advise a stewardess flying a 747, they might give her advice that would crash the plane??!! For you see, operating on the information provided to them by Duesberg and other idiot dissident scientists, these dissident "stewardesses" often crash their proverbial 747s into mountains, unlike Hollywood's happy endings! Yet, these dissident "stewardesses" keep jumping behind the controls of new proverbial "airliners", boldly insisting all the while that, yes, they are still qualified to "fly", i.e., that they are still qualified to give out advice to "seropositive" people....

On most other venues, whether the viewpoint expressed is dissident or orthodox in nature, lay people such as journalists, "public relations" workers, "chefs/naturopaths", cosmetologists and-oh yes-wait for it...BAND LEADERS and MUSICIANS who have explored for ten minutes the complex scientific issues surrounding "HIV" and "AIDS" are allowed to routinely dispense medical opinions and advice like candy WHETHER OR NOT they have demonstrated an understanding of those aforementioned complex scientific issues.

Unless you are a *QUALIFIED* healthcare practitioner *WITH ACCESS* to a *QUALIFIED* laboratory that is capable of adequately assessing the cellular redox, you should do the entire AIDS dissident movement a HUGE FAVOR and just


And, IMHO, even if you ARE a *QUALIFIED* healthcare practitioner *WITH ACCESS* to a *QUALIFIED* laboratory, you should still STFU about any scientific or medical issues surrounding "AIDS"! ANY public discourse on "AIDS"-whether dissident OR orthodox-is entirely TOO ARBITRARY!

INDIVIDUAL attention must be paid to each INDIVIDUAL "positive" person and his or her cellular redox! And, for all the eternally confused boneheads who don't know "how one is supposed to measure oxidative stress" and yet continue to feel qualified to give medical advice to others: the laboratory methods that will most accurately measure cellular redox are not readily available in a commercial assay! (see: for more information.)

However, unfortunately, the equally clueless audience for AIDS dissidents is at least partly comprised of seropositive-diagnosed people who are ever so eager for "answers". I suppose I should be encouraged to learn that my venue is still being read by those whose actions and assertions I often find so loathsome and who are often the target of my criticisms here. I have a couple suggestions for those who did find their way here from that Facebook page: please pay attention, and, if you don't understand something in this thread or anywhere else on this blog, feel free to re-read it as often as necessary. (CLICK HERE TO GO TO OUR HOME PAGE and CLICK HERE TO GO TO OUR LIST OF TOPICS.) The devil, as they say, is in the details, and that expression was never more appropriate than it is with respect to "HIV" and "AIDS".

I always laugh when I hear dissidents making arguments about the definition(s) of "AIDS". It's as though some dissidents are still stuck in 1997! These idiots fail to realize that one is able to UTILIZE a term while still DISAGREEING with its definition! Besides, if we do not use the terms as officially defined, how the fuck is our audience going to know what we're talking about?? If you wish to call "AIDS" the "cheese danish syndrome", you are certainly entitled to do so. However, if you are not an OFFICIAL who is actually IN CHARGE of setting the definition of "AIDS", you will look rather foolish as the only person using "cheese danish syndrome" or whatever term you create!

Any idiot who denies that "(t)he clinical syndrome exists no matter what one calls it", as the Perth Group writes in THIS "short statement explaining (their) views", is a royal fucking EMBARRASSMENT to the "AIDS" dissident movement. With such profoundly stupid thinking on the part of AIDS dissidents, is it any wonder that the dissidents cannot get any respect??!! The Perth Group felt compelled to write that short statement only because of continuous CONFUSION of other factions of incredibly DENSE "AIDS" dissidents. The Perth Group are going by the DATA, as they always do on EVERY issue. The Perth Group are not "following the Orthodoxy" on this issue -or any OTHER issue, for that matter. Only morons would think that. The Perth Group are also not recanting any earlier views they have expressed. Only someone with reading comprehension difficulties would think that.

"AIDS", whether one puts quotation marks around it or not, is, as an official medical term, rather passe, anyway. Nowadays, it's all about so-called "HIV disease", and frankly, "HIV" is at least PRESUMED present in each and EVERY case of so-called "AIDS" that is diagnosed on the planet, regardless of whether immunological (CD4 levels) or ANY of the various clinical criteria are used in making the so-called "AIDS" diagnosis. This is true EVEN in those cases where no so-called "HIV" (antibody) testing has been done (as in Africa and the developing world, via the "Bangui" definition). Even in the cases of "AIDS" that are diagnosed under special circumstances in the U.S. where testing for "HIV" IS done and results are NEGATIVE, so-called "HIV" is still PRESUMED present. How do I know these things? I corresponded with the CDC and ASKED them these questions, and I did so YEARS before many of these dissident twits who still use the definitions of "AIDS" in their arguments ever even HEARD of ANY dissident arguments on "AIDS".

The point is, the best way to attack the definition of "AIDS"-if one feels a strong desire to do so- still is to follow the Perth Group's lead and attack the "HIV" component that is at least IMPLIED in EVERY single case of "AIDS" that gets diagnosed anywhere in the world.

Celia Farber is one of the most veteran AIDS dissidents who perhaps could be called one of the original proverbial "stewardesses". Farber has been rather vehemently critical of the Perth Group (see: ). In contradiction to all the data that have been published and despite the fact that we are well into the 21st century, Farber remains openly supportive of Peter Duesberg, despite her recent apparent endorsement of another non-Perth Group scientist (see again: ). Obviously, I continue to be vehemently critical of Farber, but she also unfortunately keeps choosing to remain one of the most active-and undeniably EMBARRASSING-dissidents. Farber, unfortunately, has most recently been dispensing advice herself to seropositive people on a public venue! (see again: )

Sadly, Farber is hardly the only such proverbial "stewardess" that has existed in the dissident community. As I said, she is just one of the original ones. There have been many others over the years. Before I became so openly critical of her, I had met and sometimes interacted with Farber-who is presumably seronegative-as well as many other such "stewardesses" over my almost 20 years as an AIDS dissident. I have, in fact, worked up close and personally with some of them, back when I was unfortunately very much a "stewardess" myself.

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7  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / "Memo" from the AIDS Orthodoxy to AIDS Dissidents on: August 11, 2012, 09:16:05 AM
From: The AIDS Orthodoxy
To: AIDS Dissidents
Date: 12th of NEVER

To our dear friends, the AIDS dissidents:

We realize that we have allowed ourselves and our affiliates to constantly err at will without any fallout whatsoever. We feel really guilty about allowing this to happen, and, as such, we have decided to extend the same courtesy to you, our esteemed friends, the AIDS dissidents. From now on, all of you AIDS dissidents should feel free to F*CK UP all you want, and we PROMISE you, we will let you get away with all of your mistakes, however egregious and numerous those mistakes may be.

We hope this makes your lives easier, because, deep down, we really do care about you and we want to do everything in our power to make your crucial, important efforts easier.

With every best wish for your continued success,

Your friends, The AIDS Orthodoxy

-Now, of course, this memo was NEVER sent to dissidents because, of course, it was NEVER written. However, that hasn't stopped many dissidents from continuing to F*CK UP royally and continuously as if the AIDS industry has given us dissidents carte blanche to be careless.

The Perth Group and many of us Perth Group supporters are constantly being criticized by AIDS dissidents from other factions for our always wanting to "be right". Unfortunately for them, being RIGHT is a BASIC fundamental element of our efforts. NOTHING gets accomplished if we are not always CORRECT!

As the Perth Group wrote in an e-mail to other dissidents:

"We have to fight science with science. And, unlike the opposition, we have to be 100% scientifically accurate with every single word we write if we want to be believed. Being right is only 3% of the answer and the remaining 97% is politics. But without the 3% the race doesn't start...."

(e-mail from the Perth Group to fellow dissidents, 3 December, 2008)

CLICK HERE for the latest document from the Perth Group.
8  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / DEATH WATCH-Which dissident idiot will be next to start taking so-called "ARVs"? on: July 13, 2012, 06:55:50 AM
For more information on this latest development, you must CLICK HERE. The message at that link is updated frequently. Feel free to check it often.

Starting the so-called "anti-HIV" drugs and IGNORING all the advice to the contrary that one has given in one's past - in some cases, over a period of MANY YEARS - has become an increasingly common "career move" for "positive" AIDS dissidents who are (or at least WERE) supporters of "Rethinking AIDS" and all of its different "factions" of dissident AIDS ideology. Unfortunately, so, too, has death become an increasingly common "career move" for such ignorant and foolish supporters of all the other dissident factions not aligned with the Perth Group who stupidly follow the egregiously flawed approaches that the moronic so-called "scientists" who lead these factions have advocated....Again, please see the link above for more details.

9  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / Not-so-strange bedfellows: The Perth Group & AIDS orthodoxy agree on many issues on: December 18, 2011, 10:14:41 PM
Because of a persistent flow of ignorance and arrogance from elsewhere in the dissident movement and the always present same attitudes from the AIDS industry, the Perth Group have felt it necessary to once again clarify and re-state their views on "HIV/AIDS"

See THIS LINK for more details. It's yet another important resource to use when anyone from any point on the spectrum of AIDS discourse has questions about what the Perth Group's views are, and, of course, as usual, Perth's views-to state what should be obvious by now-are always based upon what the data show.

These data are also relevant to recent developments. A couple of David Crowe's most devout partisans and most ardent supporters of his Rethinking AIDS group have now decided to start taking the "anti-HIV" drugs! While this decision per se is not at all problematic (see the Perth Group's statement again), the hypocrisy of such a move must be noted in light of those partisans' consistent efforts in the past at suppressing the Perth Group (see THIS DISCUSSION for more details).

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10  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / Youtube documentary addresses "HIV's" lack of isolation on: October 08, 2011, 10:05:59 AM
Frustratingly, to this day other dissidents-even prominent veteran dissidents-who remain aligned to Peter Duesberg and his theories continue to make more documentary films about Duesberg and his theories. These short-sighted dissidents who make these films seem blissfully unaware of the fact that not only are such films frivolous and trite but all such documentary films have resolutely FAILED to advance the dissident cause.  

However, fortunately, both the Perth Group and the issue of the missing "HIV" virus are now at long last prominently featured in a new full-length documentary all their own. The film is not only free of Duesberg and his theories, it is also freely available on youtube. It is called "The Emperors New Virus? - An Analysis of the Evidence for the Existence of HIV", and it is freely available at THIS LINK. This documentary has been created from footage of another AIDS dissident documentary which was widely distributed but which was NOT freely available and which, more importantly, suffers from way too much commentary from Peter Duesberg and his various followers.

Despite the fact that this new documentary does NOT cover oxidation and its well-documented role in both so-called "AIDS" and "HIV-positivity", this film is still very technical. It is also best accompanied by an article that provides additional commentary from the Perth Group which is at THIS LINK. (A Spanish language version of this commentary is at THIS LINK).

In addition to this new documentary, the Perth Group has had their own video on youtube which can be accessed by CLICKING HERE.

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11  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / Re: *NEW*-Are RA's leaders thinking with their PENISES??!! on: September 08, 2011, 12:46:34 PM
At the bottom of this message, I am attaching a recent study ("WangMedHypothes2010") which lends credence to what the Perth Group have been saying about semen for years. (It is not necessary to believe in the existence of HPV nor in its supposedly destructive powers in order to see the evidence for the harmful effects of semen that is presented in this study.)

The following excerpt from a recent e-mail from the Perth Group provides an excellent summary of the Perth Group's contributions to AIDS discourse, including the data surrounding semen which they have cited and analyzed and how these published data compare to the policies of the Rethinking AIDS Group:

"At the beginning of the AIDS era the Perth Group put forward a theory of AIDS pathogenesis, presented supporting evidence and made predictions.  The Perth Group's views have not changed.  Most of them, including,

(a)       evidence that neither Montagnier nor Gallo isolated 'HIV' from 'fresh AIDS tissues' or from cultures, and thus proved its existence;

(b)       evidence that AIDS patients and those at risk are exposed to strong oxidising agents i.e. these individuals will be oxidised;

(c)       the relationship between redox and immune deficiency;

(d)       the relationship between redox, antibody synthesis and antibody/antigen reactions;

(e)       the role of drugs in AIDS and the mechanism (cellular oxidation), that is, the drug theory of AIDS;

(f)       semen toxicity, its role in AIDS and its mechanism;

(g)       the synergistic effects between semen and drugs;

(h)       ways of preventing and treating AIDS;

can be found in:  EPE, Reappraisal of AIDS-Is the oxidation induced by the risk factors the primary cause?, Medical Hypoth. 1988; 25:151-162.  Additional data on (f), including

1.         semen does not discriminate between the sexes.  It is toxic irrespective of where it is deposited, gut or vagina.  Although the site may determine different pathological effects.

2.         the toxicity of semen is facilitated by gut trauma, drugs, poor nutrition, stress.

3.         the toxicity of semen itself in a gay man may turn out not to be much higher than in a woman practising exclusively vaginal intercourse exposed to a similar volume of semen over a similar time.

can be found in E P-E, VT, JP, Kaposi's Sarcoma and HIV. Medical Hypoth. 1992; 39:22-29.  You may also like to read Looking Back on the Oxidative Stress Theory of AIDS.

Sometime around the mid 1990s, someone, somehow, changed the name of The Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV-AIDS Hypothesis to Rethinking AIDS.  RA has been claiming Montagnier proved the existence of HIV, the virus is sexually transmitted, albeit not very efficiently, but is harmless. More recently 'the last two presidents' claimed they showed there is no evidence that proves the existence of HIV.  But they also claim Montagnier did prove the existence of a retrovirus, an endogenous retrovirus, although all retrovirologists agree there are no endogenous retroviruses.  Neither have they published such evidence.

Now, in its 'new phase' RA lets dissidents know that:

1.    Montagnier says 'HIV is NOT the cause of AIDS'.

2.    According to RA HIV is a cause of AIDS (please see THIS MESSAGE for more information) and 'Stopping drug use, providing nutritious food, are obvious solutions to obvious problems and a blood test is unlikely to help'.  (There is no HIV expert who will not agree that factors other than HIV may cause immune deficiency and AIDS indicator diseases;  that HIV needs co-factors, accepted by Gallo in 1986, and that all drugs, recreational, prescription and ART, are toxic).

In other words, in its 'new phase', RA has exchanged position with Montagnier in regard to AIDS pathogenesis.  It appears RA is more devoted to Montagnier’s virus than Montagnier is himself.

There are two main differences between the HIV experts and RA.

1.         The HIV experts advocate testing.  RA states the test for the very virus that is a cause of AIDS, “is unlikely to help”.  In fact, RA advises those at risk to boycott the tests.

2.         The HIV experts claim AIDS is sexually transmitted.  RA states AIDS 'it’s not sexually transmissible' and advise those at risk to ignore safe sex education.

Since RA accepts that HIV is sexually transmitted and is a cause of AIDS, and the scientific literature shows beyond reasonable doubt that sex plays a role in AIDS, RA's advice is not only illogical, it is also grossly negligent. No wonder RA President David Crowe now says 'there is no RA science' and the scope of RA is not to deconstruct the HIV theory of AIDS."

In addition, in his 17-page paper on anal intercourse, openly gay "positive" dissident-and (former?) RA supporter Tony Lance cites the Perth Group's work but then has the gall to carefully cherry pick quotes from the Perth Group, all the while avoiding any mention of semen or condoms!

Lance's theory on anal sex is...ummm... HALF-ASSED because he fails to mention the toxic effects of semen and potential benefits of condom usage. Despite this fact and the fact that it has been very rare historically that an openly gay man would get promoted in RA, Lance and his theory had been promoted within RA by leaders who have repeatedly expressed what I assert is a really clear bias AGAINST condoms. Perhaps Lance has or had a similar bias himself. However, Lance has since experienced "more than a year of significant health challenges" which apparently compelled him to start taking the "anti-HIV" drugs! Also, another big supporter of Lance and his theory was conservative homophobe Henry Bauer who also believes in the Loch Ness monster. YAY! Just what the dissident movement needs-ANOTHER conservative who hates homos, but THIS one believes in NESSIE, too...(sigh)...

I haven't been able to determine if Lance is still held in high esteem by RA and Bauer, nor if Crowe has called Lance "insane", now that Lance has decided to take the "anti-HIV" drugs. For more information on the latest RA dissident supporters to start taking the "anti-HIV" drugs, please see THIS MESSAGE.

The above examples are hardly the first time that the leaders of Rethinking AIDS and the old "Group for Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis" have thought with their penises. Celia Farber and Christine Maggiore, despite being physically attractive, never possessed the intellectual prowess to comprehend the very technical issues which they so often discussed-and which Farber, unfortunately continues to attempt to discuss-in public fora. That never stopped the mostly male, mostly heterosexual leadership of the dissident movement from promoting both of these bimbos, both of whom were die-hard (LITERALLY, in Maggiore's case) Duesberg dittoheads. (see: for more on this problem).



12  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / David Crowe's "Rethinkng AIDS" group becomes ORTHODOX?! on: April 11, 2011, 12:36:27 PM
As the fifth anniversary of its resuscitation approaches, the "Rethinking AIDS" organization, led by its President and small time political leader David Crowe, appears to its position on the spectrum of AIDS discourse.

On 21 February, 2011, Rethinking AIDS President David Crowe sent the following e-mail to supporters and potential supporters as an appeal for, what else- MONEY:

"Dear Fellow AIDS Rethinkers:

With your help, a new phase of the struggle against the destructive
hypothesis that HIV is the sole cause of AIDS is about to begin" (emphasis added)

In December, 2010, RA also added a new member to their board of directors, Dr. Marco Ruggiero, whose most profound contribution to the fight against the HIV fraud is his assertion that "...definitive evidence has accumulated demonstrating that HIV cannot be considered the sole cause of AIDS..."(emphasis added)

WOW! THAT'S really SHATTERING! I'll bet the AIDS industry is quaking in their boots over THAT statement!

For more insights into Ruggiero and his questionable science and ethics, we suggest you read THIS ANALYSIS and THIS ANALYSIS from a former prospective colleague of Ruggiero's with whom Ruggiero abruptly and inexplicably cut ties.

The following is from a recent e-mail from the Perth Group to its supporters:

Sometime around the mid 1990s, someone, somehow, changed the name of The Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV-AIDS Hypothesis to Rethinking AIDS.  RA has been claiming Montagnier proved the existence of HIV, the virus is sexually transmitted, albeit not very efficiently, but is harmless. More recently 'the last two presidents' claimed they showed there is no evidence that proves the existence of HIV.  But they also claim Montagnier did prove the existence of a retrovirus, an endogenous retrovirus, although all retrovirologists agree there are no endogenous retroviruses.  Neither have they published such evidence.

Now, in its 'new phase' RA lets dissidents know that:

1.    Montagnier says 'HIV is NOT the cause of AIDS'.

2.    According to RA HIV is a cause of AIDS and 'Stopping drug use, providing nutritious food, are obvious solutions to obvious problems and a blood test is unlikely to help'.  (There is no HIV expert who will not agree that factors other than HIV may cause immune deficiency and AIDS indicator diseases;  that HIV needs co-factors, accepted by Gallo in 1986, and that all drugs, recreational, prescription and ART, are toxic).

In other words, in its 'new phase', RA has exchanged position with Montagnier in regard to AIDS pathogenesis.  It appears RA is more devoted to Montagnier’s virus than Montagnier is himself.

There are two main differences between the HIV experts and RA.

1.         The HIV experts advocate testing.  RA states the test for the very virus that is a cause of AIDS, “is unlikely to help”.  In fact, RA advises those at risk to boycott the tests.

2.         The HIV experts claim AIDS is sexually transmitted.  RA states AIDS 'it’s not sexually transmissible' and advise those at risk to ignore safe sex education.

Since RA accepts that HIV is sexually transmitted and is a cause of AIDS, and the scientific literature shows beyond reasonable doubt that sex plays a role in AIDS, RA's advice is not only illogical, it is also grossly negligent. No wonder RA President David Crowe now says 'there is no RA science' and the scope of RA is not to deconstruct the HIV theory of AIDS."

The above facts, coupled with the fact that several "positive" former dissident supporters of RA are NOW taking the "anti-HIV" drugs (see: for more on this), leads one to wonder:


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13  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / *UPDATED for 2016* CLICK HERE if you are NEW to dissident perspectives on AIDS on: April 06, 2011, 03:07:28 PM

This forum is NOT geared toward lay people. If you are a lay person-especially if you are a lay person who has been diagnosed "HIV positive", and you are still new to the AIDS dissident controversy in general,


There is NOTHING YOU CAN DO to change things on your own, and despite the claims of other AIDS dissidents and even other supporters of the Perth Group, we do NOT need additional lay people involved in this movement. Lay people have been the primary source of most of our setbacks and troubles in the dissident movement!

You may *ATTEMPT* to have your physician(s) read the material that is on the Perth Group's web site, beginning with these eight frequently asked questions and answers. It is important to note that, unlike other AIDS dissident venues, we do NOT advocate making ANY changes or deletions to any treatment regimen(s) that your doctor has prescribed without the constant input from, and consultation with, your attending physician(s)! We do NOT advocate taking alternative therapies in the absence of any input from a physician. If, though, your physician does not appear to be open to hearing alternative views of any kind on so-called "HIV/AIDS", there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO except try to find another physician. However, you may NEVER be able to find one who is willing and open to exploring alternative views.

Otherwise, if you are a lay person-and actually whether you are new to the AIDS dissident perspective or you are someone who is more familiar with the dissident movement, basically what I am saying is that you need to


14  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / Discussion with a doctor who treats "HIV-positive" patients on: April 06, 2011, 06:56:15 AM
Contrary to assertions constantly being made by some in the RA/Duesberg faction, the Perth Group is NOT "doing nothing". They are actually working VERY hard to advance the much needed re-examination of so-called "HIV" but, unfortunately, many of their efforts are being stymied by Rethinking AIDS which is essentially a political organization bent on promoting Duesberg at the expense of science.

There are two articles which I've actually already cited on this forum but which I feel have not gotten the crucial attention they warrant. These articles present a clear focus and a promising plan of attack for dissidents.

The article at THIS LINK is a very shrewd analysis by the Perth Group of many of the problems the dissident movement faces. This article the Perth Group wrote is addressed to a clinician, and, while hopefully, patients can learn a lot from it, too, it is actually physicians who hold the key to making progress for the AIDS dissident cause. Dissidents can-quite justifiably-complain all they want about the corruption in the medical system. However, the fact is we aren't going to get anywhere without earning the support of clinicians, and we aren't going to earn that much needed support with the current platform of ideas which are unsupported by the scientific data and which are being spouted by the RA/Duesberg faction of dissidents.

The Perth Group have just addressed these issues again in a response to Duesberg-aligned dissidents who made criticisms of the Perth Group's latest document. See THIS MESSAGE for more details.

Another article with an exquisitely nuanced and detailed discussion of many of these problems is THIS ONE. It contains many assertions that stand in stark contradiction to Duesberg/RA's ideology. And for the latest review and clarification of the Perth Group's views on "HIV/AIDS", please read THIS LINK.

Keeping in mind the ideas discussed in the articles linked above, I feel compelled to repeat the warning that is on our home page and note that we do NOT endorse or advocate any "advice", information or content that is found on any other web sites or internet venues-including all other sites that are "dissident" in origin- that are not a part of the "" or "" domain names.

I would just add that it is my impression that there have been many dissidents, including many "famous" dissidents who have had an understanding of the Perth Group's hypothesis that might most accurately be described as "schizophrenic". Many in the "RA" group, including some ardent supporters of Duesberg, have repeatedly cited and referred to the Perth Group's work but ONLY with respect to the "HIV tests". Some have even mentioned the problems surrounding "HIV's" so-called "isolation" or lack of a gold standard for the tests. However, it's as if these dissidents have felt that the profound issues surrounding the missing virus and lack of proof for the isolation of "HIV" should remain, well...ISOLATED as an autonomous issue that is relevant only to the discussion of what's wrong with the so-called "HIV tests". The "problems" with the tests are SUCH a NON-STARTER, the AIDS orthodoxy remains completely unfazed by the decades long ranting about these problems by stupid dissidents.

Unfortunately, the missing virus has many far-reaching tentacles, and, as such, it carries a profound impact on MANY issues in so-called "HIV/AIDS" in addition to the flaws in the tests. These would include very crucial issues like prognosis for those who have tested "positive" on so-called "HIV tests", determining what IS causing a person's "positive" reaction (since there's no proof that so-called "HIV" is causing the positive reaction) and, of course, the type and duration of treatment, if any, that should be given to such patients. Also, if the cellular redox plays a role in any of these issues as the data seem to indicate it might, then the redox state needs to be monitored for any alterations, and if such alterations do occur, they need to be addressed with appropriate changes in treatment.

In addition, it is clear that, when left to their own devices, many dissidents are just not bright enough to grasp this information, much of which is very technical. Instead, confusion seems rampant among dissidents (see this message: for an example).

Lastly, those who feel that they possess a deeper than average interest in all of these differences among the various dissident scientists should also take the time to review THIS ARTICLE as well as all of the supporting documents that are linked in it.



15  AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / AIDS Dissidents Exposed Blog / The Perth Group is now on YOUTUBE *AND FACEBOOK* on: November 21, 2010, 10:23:27 AM
There is now a documentary freely accessible on youtube which prominently features the Perth Group and the problems surrounding the purported isolation of "HIV". Please see THIS LINK for more information.

Also, The Perth Group have now established a page on Facebook which is at:

At this time, The Perth Group's Facebook page is being used only for posting of articles written by the Perth Group.

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